With WL Gore and Associates, I see a group of people using the tribal model for things we don't need...  to put it very lightly.

Is this not a Taker Tribe?  What are they doing, exactly?

Growth, Productivity, Profits?  8000 members, 45 locations, 2 billion a year,  PR driven website.

A comfortable and creative way of ruling the world indeed...... 

Is this an example of how the Taker culture can use the Tribal model to grow faster? and 'better'?

The missing link in WL Gore and Associates is the connection to the community of life.  It shows in their output, and their vision.  It is even blatant in their name.

Why them bbbleaver?

here's what i found interesting and wanted share with this link to gladwells excerpt:

it points to our evolutionarily developed way of life. gladwell is pointing out things in the LEAVER TREASURY, the place we have been urged to look into as deeply as possible so we live like humans within the community of life.

the fact that it is still enacted, however unconsciously is amazing and uplifting in the least. it sounds like your concerned about Takers successfully using tribalism, isn't that the idea. ? the greatest out pouring of ideas taking us beyond this sinking ship is happening right in front of our eyes. just spreading the bit that matter to me.

bbb

"so we live like humans within the community of life"

You are separating "we" from "humans within the community of life" in the same sentence.  We are humans living within the community of life... Live with it!

or take it (life that is), to be more "humans"--> biomass into human mass.

Then you say: "it sounds like your concerned about Takers successfully using tribalism, isn't that the idea. ?"...

To me, that is the opposite of what I want to see happen.  It's so far away, it's comin back around.  It's so close I can hardly hear a sound.

It's not about throwing a model on a myth-driven animal, and hoping the myth will change. That is more Utopianism.

We were conscious of what was good for everything, and thus the tribal way was natural.

Enacting the myth: "The world is separate from us" is what created the way of hierarchy,  and the enacting the myth: "we are a part of the world" is what created the way of tribalism.

Giving "Tribalism" (the idea) to people enacting the way of hierarchy, will only bring disaster for the community of life.  Because the idea "Tribalism" is not the way of tribalism.  And the original myth will remain intact.  The way can only be given by people enacting the way.  Other wise it's just takers giving takers new models.

On the flip side.

When the people of the way of heirarchy came to the "new world" they gave the people of the way of tribalism the TRUE way of hierarchy.  And thus their myth was changed.  And they were subsumed.

"Tribalism" the WL Gore and Associates way, is not the way of tribalism.  And again, very dangerous.  Because now it's a bunch of happier people destroying the world. 

The only way to change our course is to be subsumed by actual leavers enacting true tribalism.  We'll recognize them when we see a people who are completely self-sufficient, and don't rely on the Taker way what so ever.  Each member's ability to survive in the community of life will be complete as an individual.  And they'll probably be sitting around a lot too. 

The only way to change our course is to be subsumed by actual leavers enacting true tribalism. (?)

how does this work?

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We'll recognize them when we see a people who are completely self-sufficient, and don't rely on the Taker way what so ever.

how does a taker recognize what he isn't? 

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if as you say the only way to become tribal is to join other leavers? 

 is there more than one way to go beyond civ?

 who said gore associates was tribal? 

are you a taker? 

bbb

It works when it is working/happening/doing.

Since I am not completely self-sufficient (and am not trying to hide that), I can recognize people and animals  who ARE self-sufficient.  Then I start to see  things I can do, to be self-sufficient, by either asking them for wisdom (not necessarily with words), or by dancing their dance.  This is "the only way" I was referring to earlier.  

I would say the only way to become tribel is to FIRST be a leaver.  We aren't leavers until we are leaving.  We aren't leavers when we believe in leaving, or write about leaving....  When we ARE leaving, we will gather into tribes naturally. 

I don't believe in Civilization.  It doesn't exist.  I see people taking more than they need, and living only for themselves.

No one directly.  It's what you didn't say that made me question your intention with that video.  I asked you 'why them?' and never got an answer.  Instead I got a question:  "Takers using tribalism successfully, isn't that the idea?".  And that threw me even more.  Because takers can't use the tribal model successfully. 

What is 'Successful' to a taker?

So I ask again, why them?

  Only when I am taking more than I need.

 thanks for sharing all of that.

 i'm still not real certain how to answer or speak to "why them?"... why gore? i could use more explanation or elaboration on that question.

 i really appreciate the approach mentioned in the answer to recognizing 'self suffiecent' types.

  would you consider this emapthetic connection?

  "Takers using tribalism successfully, isn't that the idea?".  And that threw me even more.  Because takers can't use the tribal model successfully. 

 i think i understand the statement 'you can't be a leaver until you are living as a leaver.' but the taker in transition is being left out, which is where we're at, no? so it looks like a semantic issue that's seems to be working itself out here... 

  what are some of the tribal strategies or principles that you are working with or trying to bring into your life? 

bbb

so we have here yet another meaning of the word "Taker"

what do we "need"  

I don't believe in "the only way" to do anything.

There are many ways.   10,000 or more, no doubt.

"Walking in the hand of god", is 'the only way' I was referring to.

The only way is a verb.  Either we are verbing it, or we are not verbing it.

We are not when we are taking (thwarting the gods).  We are when we are leaving (walking in the hand).

There are infinite methods of walking in the hand of god.  But all methods are the only way.

okey dokey

 what is gladwell typically waaay off the mark about? especially if he is a regurgitator of "fact"? it seems he has the perfect excuse.

 the information presented on the link is just that, gladwell quoting the work of others; the content of which i found intriguing and useful was this: the size of the brain correlates to the size of the group and complexity of realtionship(s) one can handle. the social capacity for our species seems to hover around the 140's. this says to me, small intimate bands and clans are more socially functional and useful than larger more unweildy groups, towns, cities, corporations, etc? enter, the reference to gore ass. they build their factories or offices to hold no more than 150 people; this number as anthropologist find it in indigenous cultures rarely exceeds this; take that however you want. at gore they have no titles (except for 'associate'), wages are decided collectively,.,.,.... is this tribal?

 so much cultural innovation IS coming from the people who are together more often than they are with their own families! i loath the slave wage work cult, i dropped out 8 years ago.  but these are humans doing things differently (in my judgment).

bbb

These people aren't doing things differently.  It's still taking.  By using 'facts about tribes', they are trivializing the whole, by picking the tribe apart and using the bits to their advantage.  Whether on purpose, or for:  "For the Good of Science"....(or WL Gore's Profits)  A leaving tribe will never come out of this.  Only Happier Takers.

I get your intention now....  The video was to show facts about tribes....