Ecofeminism
Submitted by Sceptic on Tue, 2007-02-20 03:11.
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Has anyone else gotten into this subject at all btw? Since I started to check it out I have found information that is quite amazing but also very heartbreaking. Jahve certainly is a fucking monster, but the really interesting part is that cultures around the world back in the days seems to have been matriarchial. The world was considered as a womb. Sacred and giving birth to life. But with the warrior culture from Ur, the worldview would change drastically yet succesively. From having been centered around a goddess and feminine principles, the upstart agriculturalist warriors would have to suppress all feminine values. So they symbolically killed the Goddess Inanna and thats not all they did. In the Gilgamesh epos you can read about how they try to justify killing the guardian spirit of the forest Humbaba, by making him into a monster. By killing the forest they marked the separation where man no longer would consider himself as part of the world. After a while he would adopt a transcendent God that clearly showed the distinction and alienation from having a body. By losing the connective bond of all life, compassion is also lost and this culture could brutally exploit the world witohut feelings of empathy. however there was a proble, the male god couldnt give birth to life like a women through a womb, so instead he would have to create with words. With words you can define what is right and wrong and write laws.
There is a book Im curently reading called "The Queen and Death" and its really an entire explanation for the time beginning in matriarchial cultures up until the building of civilization and up to our time. Unfortunately I dont know if its available in English, but maybe there are similar books for anyone interested, because this is a total bombshell to my brain. Read this stuff, its important!
Always a good start to this is Wikipedias articles on the Fertile Cresent and also ecofeminism ofcource.
you would have to read
Submitted by Tony on Tue, 2007-02-20 17:27.
you would have to read Terrence McKenna's 'Food of the Gods' to get where I'm going, I suppose.
With the whole 4-d history book, it would be clear that male-led dominator societies haven't dominated our timeline, but are a recent manifestation.
I should have mentioned the Tassili cave paintings could be anywhere from 9000-13000 years old. Preadting babylonian texts.
The cave paintings have become severely degraded becuase of visitors 'wetting' the cave painting with a sponge because that makes them stad out for a better picture.
Henry Lhote's ' In Search of the Tassili Frescoes' is one such work, form the 1950's that has the best renditions of the cave paintings, containing many cave painting that have since been lsot to their sponging techniques.
I'm only vaguely familiar with babylonian, sharing what I know about female-led cooperative societies. the other stuff was delerium after having flown late last night from Chicago to Columbus, OH. Oh well, try again another day...
TonyÂ
phallus logos
Submitted by JJ.Halberstadt on Sun, 2007-02-25 20:20.
I read a little about ecofeminism from Shive&Mei, and I really startled by Hardaway's raunchy monkey lab essays (cyber-feminism), and I like what Judith Bulter writes which is not eco but more materialistic socio-feminism.
male god couldnt give birth to life like a women through a womb, so instead he would have to create with words.
This describes much of the undercurrent of postmodern movement of deconstruction as a means of findinf truth. When derrida talks about "Phallus Logos" he's saying the same thing about the history of written knowledge/logos. HHowever, he makes a distinction that logos can be phallic or not. There is some difference to consider between the phallic machine of bios and the organic population of zoe... and how can language be non-phallic? sorry if its confusing postmodern argot, but thats what it is,a language problem.
-JJ
PS.. Re: 4d map idea - have you encountered McEvedy's extensive series historical maps which were done by penguin books? his brief commentary on the spread of ancient agro is inspired.
Oh, the connections!
Would you believe the Vedics have a lot in common with Philip of Macedonia and Alexander the Great?
Would you believe the tale of a goddess people were told in caves of northern africa?
http://www.fjexpeditions.com/tassili/frameset/start.html
Cattle goddess
Sefar are those mushrooms grwoing out of your arms and legs?
http://www.fjexpeditions.com/tassili/aouen/ao1.jpg
These cultures could have easily been pre-egyptian, pre-babylonian, a culture seeding itself in an easterly march. If find it hard to believe that a people who worshiped the sun or the moon or the earth wouldn't want to go and see for themselves where 'god' comes from, oh so reliably. I imagine that the more we work to piece together archeological evidence, we will be able to understand this journey and business of walking away. I'm looking forward to one day putting together a fourth dimensional map allowing one to splid through time and see man's effect on his environment, and project time patterns, perhaps as gapps fill in more and more will could learn something profound from watching a timeslapse of humans affect ont he world, like you can now look at your topography.
With technology like this, you could see people in prayer and prostrations, you could watch the last tree (or rather, shrub) on Easter Island get cut down, you could theorectically even zoom in and watch the first fire be lit, or watch the first proteins combine... Why not go back all the way to the 'big bang'? now that's big picture, long term thinking...
With such powerful computations already being pushed through 'fuzzy logic' computers, what else could you imagine possible?
Sorry, way off-topic, I always get passionate about my four-dimensional history textbook. I love putting piece together in the puzzle.
 Aren't you struck by the literality of babylonian texts?